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 No.3507[View All]

anyone here into literature? I've grown bored of anime and stuff and want to get into literature and other artsy things
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 No.26987

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>>26986
Why wouldn't they be books?

 No.26991

>>26978

Well to start with here are some short stories and brief essays I've had reccomended to me, try starting with these and see if any retain your interest:

A discourse by three drunkards on government by nakae chomin
The king in the golden mask (collection) by marcel schwob
Errand by raymond carver
The dancing girl of izu by kawabata yasunari
The razor by naoya shiga
Seibei's gourd by naoya shiga
The nose by nikolai gogol
Rashomon by Ryūnosuke Akutagawa
Candide by voltaire
The dead by james joyce
Spring in fialta by vladamir nabokov
A sound of thunder by ray bradbury
The nightingale and the rose by oscar wilde
A perfect day for bananafish by jd salinger
The snows of kilamanjaro by ernest hemingway
A very old man with enourmas wings by gabriel marquez
Three questions by leo tolstoy
Eveline by james joyce
Symbols and signs by vladamir nabokov
The infamous bengal ming by rajesh parameswaran
The great divorce by kelly link
Heaven by mary gaitskill
What we talk about when we talk about love by raymond carter
The lady with the dog by anton chekhov
A living chattel by anton chekhov
About love by anton chekhov
The grasshopper by anton chekhov
The little match girl by hans andersen
To build a fire by jack london
An occurance at owl creek bridge by ambrose bierce
A dark brown dog by stephen crane
The mokey's paw by ww jacobs
The cask of amontillado by edgar allen poe
Eve's diary by mark twain
The luck of roaring camp by bret harte
Regret by kate chopin
The skylight room by O. Henry
A horseman in the sky by ambrose bierce
The legend of sleepy hollow by washington irving
Rip van winkle by washington irving
The cactus by o henry
The tell tale heart by edgar allen poe
The celebrated jumping frog of calaveras county by mark twain
Scarlet stockings by louisa alcott
An angel in disguise by t.s. arthur
Bartleby, the scrivener by herman melville
The purloined letter by edgar allen poe
A jury of her peers by susan glaspell
On the gull's road by willa cather
The lottery by shirley jackson
Thank you, m'am by langston hughes
The splut cherry tree by jesse stuart
The cat by mary wilkins freeman
The lady, or the tiger by frank stockton
The night came slowly by kate chopin
In praise of shadows by junichiro tanizaki
The tao te ching by lao tzu

Are you interested in WWII history? I have some books I could reccomend in that genre if you're interested.

 No.26993

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>>26987
I don’t know, sorry.

>>26991
Thank you for the recommendations, I saved them. I appreciate it a lot. I’ll definitely try some!
I like history in general. If you want to, feel free! Japanese history and Modern European/American history are my favourites. I pretty much know everything about WW2 but there’s a lot I don’t know about pre-1700s Europe, I guess.

 No.26995

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Nenfriends read a lot of difficult books.

 No.27007

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>>26995
the last book I tried to read was interaction of color which is basically a picture book and I didn't even finish it...

 No.27009

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>>26993
I'm interested in the same subjects! I've also found that newer books on WWII do a good job of challenging my preconceived notions despite me already knowing a lot. History is constantly evolving after all. Here are some good WWII history books I've read or had reccomended to me:

Russia's war: a history of the soviet effort by richard overy
Eagle against the sun: america's war with japan by ronald spector
Embracing defeat: japan in the wake of ww2 by john dower
In the service of the emperor: essays on the imperial japanese army by edward drea
Japanese destroyer captain by tameichi hara
No surrender: my 30 years war by hiroo onoda
Shattered sword: the untold story of the battle of midway by john parshall and anthony tully
Requiem for battleship yamato by yoshida mitsuru
With the old breed on pelelieu and okinawa by eugene sledge
The good man of nanking: the diary of john rabe

I'll try to think of some more but those are the ones I've looked at recently. I also know of some good history lectures and videos on youtube if you'd like to know about those.

 No.27010

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>>27009
No surrender: my 30 years war is on the list of things I plan to read at some point, how was it?

 No.27020

>>27010
Pretty good. It was really interesting to hear from the man himself how he could be convinced the war was still going on after all those years. The reasons he gave for not killing himself are interesting as well. I've heard he left out some relevant details like the people he killed but it's a memoir so that's kind of expected. It's more about survival than war but I liked it all the same.

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>>27009
Thanks for all the book recommendations once more, I appreciate it a lot!
Yes, I’d definitely appreciate links to some history lectures and videos. I only know of one YouTuber and he goes by HipHughes! I liked his videos on American history especially.

 No.27089

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>>27074
My pleasure! It's always nice to share the things I enjoy with frens. TIK does videos on WW2 that are really in depth and interesting. History with Hilbert does videos on a variety of topics, I especially like the ones on the weimar republic. Military Aviation History does videos on airpower that are pretty neat. Nicholas Moran aka the chieftain has some great lectures on armor development and use in ww2 as well as a few naval history vids, he actually worked with the girls und panzer team a few times. Forgotton weapons and C&Rsenal do videos on firearms history and mechanics that are pretty approachable even to non gun-guys like me. Potential history does short humerous videos about ww2 topics, they're a bit too memey sometimes but are still interesting. The armchair historian is a fairly new channel that does videos on lots of topics, I like his video on the russo japanese war. The Great War is pretty famous for covering WW1 in a week by week newsreel-esque format, I would look into their videos on the buildup to WW1. There's also the National WW1 and WW2 museums that put lectures on youtube, I'll try to include some good ones below. Here're some history videos, documentaries and lectures I found interesting, I tried posting links individually but nen thought I was flooding so I'll just post the playlist I pulled them from:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsweezly0uUlbwABQJRK5n9eZh-oEhBOU

 No.27093

>>27089
Thank you very much. I appreciate it a ton, /nen/fren.

 No.29170

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I'm starting to read Pynchon. His characters manage to get into some extremely wacky situations.

 No.29197

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Currently reading-

Hells Angels - A Strange and Terrible Saga (Hunter S. Thompson)
Kitchen Confidential (Anthony Bourdain, RIP)
Fear (Bob Woodward)

Read recently or in the last month

Pachinko (Min Jin Lee)
Hot Milk (Deborah Levy)
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 (HST)
Bad Blood - Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup (John Carryrou)

 No.29225

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pynchon was caught in camera

 No.29259

Watched some David Foster Wallace interviews. He's one of us (terminally autistic).

 No.29260

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I started reading Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. I'm not that fond of it, it's just his opinions on how people should live, I guess that is what Philosophy all boils down too. I'll try reading Nietzsche and if I don't like that either I will give up on it. It seems like philosophy is just a meme and if you can think for yourself you won't need it.

Also I read the first two volumes of Doctor Stone.

 No.29267

>>29260
What you're reading is only one part of philosophy, ethics. There are many many other areas of philosophy like metaphysics, logic, epistemology. The Meditations is unusual because it's just Marcus Aurelius writing to himself, whereas other Stoic philosophers like Seneca wrote with an audience in mind. He isn't presenting a system, just his own methods.

 No.29277

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>>29260
>I'll try reading Nietzsche and if I don't like that either I will give up on it.
Bad idea. Neech expects you to have already read a decent amount of philosophy. He spends a lot of time responding to Kant and Schopenhauer, for example.

Start with the Greeks.

 No.29410

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Wish me luck.

 No.29413

>>29410
Ganbatte. The only thing of Joyce's that I've read is Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. It was good but nothing outstanding. I've heard that Dubliners and Ulysses are the more outstanding works of his so I'd like to get around to those and get a better idea of what kind of writer Joyce is.

 No.29415

>>29413
>It was good but nothing outstanding.
It actually is something outstanding but it took me two readings to realize that.

 No.29417

>>29410
I'm thinking of getting The Dubliners, it's supposed to be his easiest read and also very good.

 No.29426

>>29415
I guess I'll reread it then.

 No.29428

>>29426
Do, but do it after reading Dubliners. Dubliners is definitely his easiest to read and appreciate.

To really appreciate Portrait you need to pay close attention to exactly which words are used. Sometimes a word or phrase that was used earlier will reappear for a significant reason. The style of prose changes as Stephen matures and you can pinpoint which events are most important in his life by noticing these changes.

Also consider that nothing in the novel is extraneous, every passage has a meaning that contributes to the whole portrait, so if you read something that seems inconsequential to the story, you're probably missing something.

 No.29446

Finished Norwegian Wood, and now I'm moving on to Colourless Tsukuru Tazaki and His Years of Pilgrimage.

 No.29496

>>29446
How do you like it?

 No.29528

>>29496
Norwegian Wood felt really detached, really great sense of the reality of loss and trying to see yourself through it. I'm glad I finished that novel, it has definitely stuck with me since then.

We'll see how Colourless goes, same general themes it seems so far.

 No.29534

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Catch 22 was really good. Hilarious and horrifying. A solid recommendation, even if you're not much into WWII.

 No.29539

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re-read pic related today

>>29534
I reiterate this poster's exact sentiments. I just read it last year and felt like I missed out by not being in the class in high school that had to read it.

 No.29542

I'm reading the tale of genji. Its a very good book.

 No.29555

>>29539
Other than the alarm clock and working, aren't those all essential human activities or part of basic hygiene?

Even when I was a NEET, I still got out of bed, ate food, used the toilet, and brushed my teeth.

 No.29587

>>29555
I don't understand how one could miss the point like this. Please reconsider. Its not a list of random things he thinks are bad for whatever reason.

 No.29591

why read Bukowski when you can listen to Waits

 No.29593

>>29555
Neets should use an alarm clock too, a fixed sleeping pattern is good for mental and physical health.

 No.29603

>>29587
It's not that I think they are random things, but they're just generic morning activities that it feels like he's using to pad the rest of the sentence and throw in a couple no-no words.

 No.29606

>>29603
Its about those things being miserable to do in a hurry when you've been forced awake too early.

 No.29619

>>29542
Genji is the lord of all skirt flippers

 No.30181

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Read (last month):

Days Without End (Sebastian Barry)
The Acolyte (Nick Cutter)
The Hellfire Club (Jake Tapper)
Dopesick (Beth Macy)
On the Road (Jack Kerouac)
The Sellout (Paul Beatty)

Reading:
The Great Shark Hunt
Big Sur (Jack Kerouac)
The Master and Margarita (Bulgakov, 50th anniversary translation)

Will read:

Nixonland (Rick Perlstein)
Heart of Darkness (Conrad)
Autobiography of a Brown Buffalo (Oscar Zeta Acosta)

>>29539
High-school required reading is my favorite non-genre category of books. Lord of the Flies, Catch-22, Hatchet, all very good books.

 No.30185

>>30181
You read Hatchet in high school?

 No.30186

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Read (last month):
Ulysses (Joyce)
The Old Man and the Sea (Hemingway)
The Great Gatsby (Fitzgerald)
Macbeth (Shakespeare)
As I Lay Dying (Faulkner)

Reading:
V. (Pynchon)

Will read:
Cannery Row (Steinbeck)
Neuromancer (Gibson)
Wuthering Heights (E. Brontë)
The Plague (Camus)
Gravity's Rainbow (Pynchon)

 No.30188

Since 2019 started I've read:
Government in the Future, Chomsky
Requiem for the American Dream, Chomsky
High Cost of Free Parking, Shoup
The Castle, Kafka

I plan on reading this month
The Dispossessed, Ursula K. Le Guin(If the person in front of me in the library hold will ever return it...)
Who Rules the World, Chomsky

I don't really know what else I want to read, maybe one of Chomskiss your sisterbooks on linguistics even though I think I read some of his stuff is kind of dated now. I'd appreciate some book suggestions so I can keep with my 1 book a month resolution for 2019!

 No.30189

>>29277
I had already ordered it in before you made the post... Well I don't think he expects it that much, certainly I never felt like I could not understand what he was saying because of it. Still, it was more of the same, it's just his opinions and some common sense(with a fair amount of him stroking his own ego thrown in). Philosophy is not for me. I might try reading some of the Greek stuff but that is more because they could be interesting in their own right, many are plays and stories and such.

 No.30190

Read recently:
Prometheus Bound - Aeschylus (reread)
Symposium - Plato
A Sentimental Journey - Laurence Sterne
One Day In the Life of Ivan Denisovich - Solzhenitsyn
Parmenides - Plato
A Comedy of Errors - Shakespeare
Public Opinion - Walter Lippmann

Reading currently:
Anatomy of Melancholy - Burton

Will read:
A collection of Dostoevsky stories
Anna Karenina - Tolstoy
A Hero of Our Time - Lermontov (reread)
Too many others to list.

I buy books faster than I read them, aka tsundoku, so they have been accumulating for a while now. It doesn't help that I bought complete editions of Plato and Shakespeare. Just between the two of them I would have enough to read for a while.
>>30189
Try reading the dialogues by Plato about the trial and death of Socrates: Euthyphro, the Apology, Crito, and Phaedo. They are all fairly short and can usually be found bundled together in a single volume.

 No.30192

>>30189
>certainly I never felt like I could not understand what he was saying because of it.
Yeah, that's the problem with FN. He's easy to read and to think you understand, but if you have a solid foundation in the ideas he's responding to, you realize he was saying much more than you thought he was. This is partly why everyone from Nazis to anarchists thought Nietzsche agreed with them.

Interestingly, I also think the same applies if you have a solid foundation in his own philosophy, and in re-reading you find even more.

>Philosophy is not for me.

That might be true as well. In fact, if Nietzsche was right it's most likely true.

 No.30193

>>30190
>It doesn't help that I bought complete editions of Plato and Shakespeare. Just between the two of them I would have enough to read for a while.
You have enough to read for a lifetime with those two volumes. Particularly Billy-boy.

 No.30194

>>30192
>but if you have a solid foundation in the ideas he's responding to, you realize he was saying much more than you thought he was.

Such as? I'm curious.

 No.30195

>>30194
From Beyond Good and Evil, aphorism 11:
"How are synthetic judgments a priori possible ?" Kant asked himself - and what really is his answer? "By virtue of a faculty" but unfortunately not in five words
[...]

"By virtue of a faculty" - he had said, or at least meant. But is that an answer? An explanation? Or is it not rather merely a repetition of the question? How does opium induce sleep? "By virtue of a faculty," namely the virtus dormitiva, replies the doctor in Moliere,

Quia est in eo virtus dormitiva,
Cujus est natura sensus assoupire.
[Because there is in it a dormitive virtue,
whose nature it is to send the senses to sleep.]

But such replies belong in comedy, and it is high time to replace the Kantian question, "How are synthetic judgments a priori possible?" by another question, "Why is belief in such judgments necessary?" - in effect, to realise such judgments must be believed to be true, for the sake of the preservation of creatures like ourselves; though they might, of course, be false judgments! Or, speaking more plainly: synthetic judgments a priori should not "be possible" at all; we have no right to them; in our mouths they are nothing but false judgments. Only, of course, the belief in their truth is necessary, as a foreground belief and visual evidence belonging to the perspective view of life.

end excerpt

If you know nothing about Kant or what "a priori" even means than this passage doesn't mean much other than some pedantic quibbling about epistimology. With the philisophical and historical background in Kant, and in N's philosophy as a whole you'd know 1) Kant was extraordinarily influential and 2) a priori judgment is one of the essential epistimological of Kant and is, according to him, a basis for all human knowlege. If one beleives in the "truth" of a priori judgment then, according to Kant, they can live in a certain way and "know" right from wrong, without the need for a divine authority.


Aphorism 13 from Beyond Good and Evil:
Physiologists should think before putting down the instinct of self-preservation as the cardinal instinct of an organic being. A living thing seeks above all to discharge its strength---life itself is will to power; self-preservation is only one of the indirect and most frequent results.
In short, here as everywhere else, let us beware of superfluous teleological principles---one of which is the instinct of self-preservation (we owe it to Spinoza's inconsistency). Thus method, which must be essentially economy of principles, demands it.

end excerpt

So if you don't know what "teleological princples" means you can look it up and find that "Teleology or finality is a reason or explanation for something in function of its end, purpose, or goal.". So you might think "ok, so self-preservation isn't a goal, it's just something that happens". But if you knew about the history of teleology, you'd know that it was the basis of the entire understanding of the world. Aristotle's view of the world is founded on the principles of teleology, and Christian thinkers like Aquinas would use teleology to argue for the existence of God.

If you don't know the history of the ideas you might just think he's complaining about the mistakes of previous philosophers. But he's doing more -- he's illustrating how entire worldviews, the things that people in the past thought were the most important things, the essential truth of the world, are, at best, convenient interpretations.

 No.30201

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You could just read Stirner instead of trying to decipher Nietzsche's nonsense.

 No.30275

>>30185
I think I read it in early middle school, it just quickly came to my mind as a 'cirriculum book'

I remember the books we read in high school were To Kill a Mockingbird, The Great Gatsby and The Joy Luck Club in that order.

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Happy Bloomsday!



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