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anyone here into literature? I've grown bored of anime and stuff and want to get into literature and other artsy things


I rarely read books that aren't comics or manga, but I remember Umineko got me into mystery novels for a while, and I even bought a bunch of books I found for cheap. I love Agatha Christie. Arthur Conan Doyle and Ellery Queen are pretty cool too.
This reminds me I still need to read some of the books I own.


Yeah man. The most recent novel I finished was No Country for Old Men. I've been sporadically reading the stories in Dubliners.

I think I might read Faulkner's As I Lay Dying next but I might read something else too.


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Our town got a nice new bookstore, so I've gone there often to collect books. My latest snags have been Dante's Divine Comedy, Don Quixote and the 48 Laws of Power. I have yet to read any of them though. I have found I prefer my e-reader.


I've read lots of classical literature, mostly from Russian authors! I also bought the collected works of Edgar Allan Poe and Lovecraft recently but I just can't find the time to read them… The last book I read was "A Study in Scarlet", it was pretty short so I could easily read it on the bus, maybe I'll get "The Sign of Three" next! Detective novels are pretty cool!
I've been reading the Game of Thrones series but I'm kind of stuck at book three because it's really huge and I can only read it at home… it's hard to find time for that since I have to read though a lot of textbooks!


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I have all these three on my readlist too. I've actually started Don Quixote once, it was pretty cool, but I stopped reading for some reason.

More recently I've been reading some roman authors like Tacitus and Livy. I got a bunch of Yukio Mishima and Houellebcq books, as well as Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy, Ernst Jünger's Storm of Steel and Lord of The Flies, so these are the next in my list.


I really like cormac mccarthy's books


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I love russian authors too! I'm reading Demon's right now.


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I read the brothers karamazov it was okay I didn't really get why it was so popular though


Another good russian author is Lermontov. I would highly recommend his A Hero of Our Time, unfortunately the only novel he ever wrote.
Brother's Karamazov is really good, it has basically everything Dostoevsky wanted to write about all in one book. Have you read Crime and Punishment or Notes From Underground? Those two are more focused than Brother's Karamazov. He also has some good short stories.


I've wanted to get into reading for the longest of time but my short attention span for things has made it really difficult and it has become even more severe in recent years. I've been wanting to read Natsume Soseki, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky as well as a couple of other well-known classics but haven't made much progress. I did manage to read quite a bit of the Brothers Karamazov but the premise failed to really pique my interest, perhaps I should have went with Crime and Punishment instead.


Have you given audio books a shot?


Try reading some short story collections first. If you read consistently, your attention will improve.


Maybe try setting aside a small amount of time, about half and hour or an hour to read, and do it in a new place. One thing that helped me get back my attention span was to have a place where I read and nothing else. So try not to read at the desk where you have your computer or where you play games or things like that.


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>Open Fanged Noumena, by Nick Land
>pages and pages of opaque philisophical jargon
>"It is probably uncontroversial to conclude from all of this that Derrida was not a werewolf"
>"werewolves are dissiapted in a homolupic spiral that…." "lycanthropic becomings" "…differance…"
>Close Fanged Noumena by Nick Land
I also need to get about properly continuing kaneko fumikos memoirs. but, on the other hand, I should really be reading first grade level japanese books and stuff.


The Prison Memoirs of a Japanese Woman is a really good book, it was really moving, some parts made me so angry I had to take a break to calm down because I couldn't focus otherwise.


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I really like this essay because it introduced me to Georg Trakl, one of my favorite poets now(and a werewolf).


What are those?

That sounds like a good idea, do you have any recommendations?

I tend to find myself dreading about spending too much time doing something despite the fact that I probably have all the time in the world and that is part of what has been stopping me from being able to actually enjoy anything. At the same time however, I would like to immerse myself in the things I do and enjoy - something I haven't had the chance to do in a long time. I do think it might have to do with my living space arrangement and the lack of having a nice, cozy place to do my reading as you have mentioned. I should probably also get physical copies of books but that is very expensive and there are very limited options where I'm from.


Asimov's I, Robot is very good and you can probably easily find it in any bookstore.


It was my solution to not having a good attention span, instead of reading and having to re-read the same page 5-10 times the audiobook is narrated. Audible is amazon's product for this, they have amazing narrators and it keeps track of where you're at. There's a back/forward 30 second button for when you do zone out that helped me a lot.




What are you trying to say? That you like fiction based on historical events?


Thank you for both of your advice and recommendations, I'll look into it.


It's the anniversary of Kaneko Fumiko's death today.


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I often read martial books, at the moment I am reading one about the organization of the Japanese in WW2. I am thinking of getting into other fields so I have ordered in Machiavelli and I will get some books by Plato and Nietzsche at some point.


I have similar problems. Every once in a while I get an urge to finally read the things I've been meaning to read, so I start reading something, but I can't keep it up for very long. My memory isn't very good, so when I get back to reading I either have to start over or start reading something new. I read a lot more when I was younger, but I could never remember important things like names as I was reading, so a lot of stuff went over my head.


I don't consider myself a reader, just sometimes I'll find a book about a subject I'm interested in and read it. Right now I'm reading a book about the russo-finish war and another by budd hopkins.




What sort of martial books do you read?


All sorts. I have an interest in many martial related fields. Right now I am reading a Book On Japanese castles in the Sengoku era and then I will be reading Truppenfuhrung, a German WW2 Infantry field manual.


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Literature is for dork dorks, heh~


The aho baka girl strikes again.


Meditations of Violence is an interesting read for you. It's about martial arts myth and violent encounter reality.

Also it's funny how much Orientalism has affected Western stereotypes of martial arts after WWII. I remember reading through a WWI Infantry combatives training and noticed that most of the drills and techniques were based on western boxing and wrestling.

Compared to the combatatives guide from vietnam-era which was heavily influenced by japanese martial arts.

Are you interested in Historical European weapon treatises by any chance?


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That looks interesting.

I know German officers were expected to be acquainted with Jujitsu before and during the first world war. Much of that kind of thing is found in HEMA treatises but it was still extant in Japan.

Yes, I have a British manual on the use of a spadroon but I don't have a spadroon so it's pointless. I have a few other Hema books on the list of things I want to get like Talhoffer and Meyer. I only read for an hour or two a day, so I have a significant backlog.


A fellow martial arts otaku I see. There used be a hema thread on 4queers/asp/ but unfortunately puroresoru drowned it out.
I found the field manual I mentioned earlier

Do you have any swords friend? Willing to take pictures?


Military field manuals really show how each generation's stereotypes regarding combatatives differ. Going from old style western boxing and wrestling to Japanese karate to the more mma-influenced blend that is seen in our modern military. MCMAP is heavily influenced by Brazilian jiu Jitsu.


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I used to browse there a long time ago, I forget why I left. Probably something to do with the nature of being a board on 4chan.

I have a few, I really don't like steel scabbards...

Do you have any?

I heard that modern martial arts are heavily based in grappling because they are mainly a tool for confidence and fitness and they don't want their soldiers to be too deadly. They don't want arguments in a barracks to end in people striking throats and such, they also don't want these soldiers doing that in civilian life. So the only ones learning deadly styles are special forces. This is what I heard but MCMAP looks like it has strikes in it.


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cool swords are any of them old?


Everytime I pick up a book I read about halfway through it before I stop, pick up another one and repeat the process.

I can't remember the last time I've finished a book...


No, they are all replicas. But decent quality replicas. I want to get some originals but they really need to be treated better and be kept in a much more secure manner. I don't have such facilities for them yet.


I do this as well, maybe someday a book will hold my interest long enough to finish.


Read about half of Aristotle's Poetics. I love how he makes references to plays and playwrights that have been lost to time. The way Greek and other ancient cultures has been preserved piecemeal in arbitrary ways is fascinating to me. For example, Aristotle's own works that we have are the works that were designed only for students at his school, while the lost works are the ones he intended to be widely distributed. As such the ones we have are sometimes difficult to interpret because they assume a knowledge of the more accessible lost texts.


It is interesting also how the medium on which they wrote influenced how much was preserved. Because the ancients wrote on papyrus, the only intact writing we have from that period is the stuff preserved in extremely dry areas like Egypt (the famous Oxrychnus Papyri are from a trash dump). The medieval writers favored vellum which keeps much better and so we have almost all of their writings. An unfortunate side effect of vellum however was that it was very expensive so in order to "save on paper" they would scrape off the ink from a sheet of vellum and copy over it with a new work. But now we can actually see what they copied over and find totally new works (like a new work by Euclid that was discovered under a copy of something else).
It's also incredible how little we actually have of the original works. We probably only have 5% or less of all the ancient writings. If you look at Diogenes Laertius's Lives of the Philosophers he gives lists of all the works he knows of that were written by a certain philosopher while giving anecdotes about the philosopher. He says Epicurus wrote over 300 rolls and today we have none of them. Even among the dramatists we only have the works of three of the Greek dramatists and only a small fraction of what they wrote over their whole careers.


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I read the pheonix project a few weeks ago. It was actually pretty enjoyable even though it was mostly just a light novel scattered with business guru soundbites


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I recently picked up "Modern Japanese Literature from 1868 to 1956" compiled and partially translated by Donald Keene. I'm really enjoying it so far! I read another of Keene's books a while ago called "So lovely a country will never perish" about the diaries of Japanese authors during and after WWII. It's really fun to learn about Japanese history through the lens of their literature.


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I just finished reading the Nibelungenlied. Now I am reading a book about Japanese female warriors.


Sounds interesting. Do you have a particular translation you'd reccomend?


I read the Translation by G.H Needler. In the forward parts he mentions that he wanted to replicated it in English in the original poetic form and he is the first to do so, he did this in 1909 so there may be more modern versions since but they may have a more modern interpretation and use less of an archaic vocabulary, I think that would lessen it's charm though. I don't have any other translation to compare it to I am afraid.


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I’m too dumb to read books... my memory is awful and I can barely find anything that interests me enough to pick it up. The last and only book I read was Patriotism by Yukio Mishima. Most books I attempt to read involve me reading a sentence, realising I don’t understand 2-3 words used, looking at their definition and then seeing the words used in a different context a few days later and completely forgetting their meaning. I’m so hopeless. I’m just not cut out for reading, I’m too dumb....


Start with short stories! Everything takes practice and the more you read the better you get at it. Never give up!


Don't give up! A lot of people feel intimidated by literature but it's a vast world and one you can gain skill in exploring. Maybe you're just starting out with a book that's too dense or old. Many classic novels have archaic words or phrases in them that make it difficult for modern readers to understand everything. Maybe some short stories would interest you more? Or a contemporary novel, a sci-fi thriller, a nonfiction paperback? There's no shame in starting small. Even learning one word a month or reading one page per day is progress. What books have you tried reading in the past?


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I too started to delve deeper into literature. Most recent book I finished was Murakami's Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, which was like reading a nightmare. Pretty good, but left a bad taste in my mouth. I also want to spend a few days in a dried up well now, so thanks for that Murakami. Now I'm reading Ada by Vladimir Nabokov. Some kinky stuff. Guess I buy Lolita after that one and hope I don't earn to much funny looks. But I have to finish Ulysses one of these days. Got halfway through that before my brain capitulated.


I've had windup bird chronicle on my list for a while. Maybe I'll read that next. I enjoy the occasional disquieting book.


When I'm interested in a book I remember that, if I don't write down my thoughts I forget everything but that writing is very difficult especially for me since I haven't been taught how to write in school and I'm not a native English speaker, so I get discouraged and disappointed at my inability to retain my own thoughts and go back to doing nothing.


Your english is really good


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I’ve tried to read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman, How to Win Friends and Influence People, The Internet of Money, and some other unrelated books like To Kill a Mockingbird, Catcher in the Rye and Grapes of Wrath that I read when I was younger. It has been almost a decade and I haven’t tried to read much since.. the most ambitious book I tried to read was Crime and Pubishment by Dostoyevsky. While I could understand the plot I often times had to re-read chapters multiple times to remember what had happened when I resumed reading, and 2 years after attempting I barely remember what it was about.. I only really read a few chapters before I got upset and gave up.
Thanks for the encouragement but reading isn’t really for me. It’s such a hassle and I feel like my vocabulary diminishes every day, regardless of if I read..
Sustaining my initial interest is also difficult because once I begin to read something and realise I have difficulty understanding many words or concepts it just becomes so onerous to press on...
I’m going to give Hitler’s Revolution a try because it’s a topic I’ve wanted to learn about for a while now.. if you have any suggestions for fiction books I might enjoy, please tell me. I’ll give them a try. I really want to enjoy reading!
My favorite genres are romance and non-fiction (I don’t even know if that counts as a genre, now that I think of it..)
I don’t really think I replied adequately to your post but thanks very much for the encouragement.


You could try reading plays, they are less dense and most can be read in one sit. I've recently read Death of a Salesman and really enjoyed it, you should give it a try!


Ah, I read that, A Streetcar Named Desire, Blood Brothers and a few others plays a long time ago but I didn’t and don’t consider them books. I liked the Blood Brothers play the most.


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Why wouldn't they be books?



Well to start with here are some short stories and brief essays I've had reccomended to me, try starting with these and see if any retain your interest:

A discourse by three drunkards on government by nakae chomin
The king in the golden mask (collection) by marcel schwob
Errand by raymond carver
The dancing girl of izu by kawabata yasunari
The razor by naoya shiga
Seibei's gourd by naoya shiga
The nose by nikolai gogol
Rashomon by Ryūnosuke Akutagawa
Candide by voltaire
The dead by james joyce
Spring in fialta by vladamir nabokov
A sound of thunder by ray bradbury
The nightingale and the rose by oscar wilde
A perfect day for bananafish by jd salinger
The snows of kilamanjaro by ernest hemingway
A very old man with enourmas wings by gabriel marquez
Three questions by leo tolstoy
Eveline by james joyce
Symbols and signs by vladamir nabokov
The infamous bengal ming by rajesh parameswaran
The great divorce by kelly link
Heaven by mary gaitskill
What we talk about when we talk about love by raymond carter
The lady with the dog by anton chekhov
A living chattel by anton chekhov
About love by anton chekhov
The grasshopper by anton chekhov
The little match girl by hans andersen
To build a fire by jack london
An occurance at owl creek bridge by ambrose bierce
A dark brown dog by stephen crane
The mokey's paw by ww jacobs
The cask of amontillado by edgar allen poe
Eve's diary by mark twain
The luck of roaring camp by bret harte
Regret by kate chopin
The skylight room by O. Henry
A horseman in the sky by ambrose bierce
The legend of sleepy hollow by washington irving
Rip van winkle by washington irving
The cactus by o henry
The tell tale heart by edgar allen poe
The celebrated jumping frog of calaveras county by mark twain
Scarlet stockings by louisa alcott
An angel in disguise by t.s. arthur
Bartleby, the scrivener by herman melville
The purloined letter by edgar allen poe
A jury of her peers by susan glaspell
On the gull's road by willa cather
The lottery by shirley jackson
Thank you, m'am by langston hughes
The splut cherry tree by jesse stuart
The cat by mary wilkins freeman
The lady, or the tiger by frank stockton
The night came slowly by kate chopin
In praise of shadows by junichiro tanizaki
The tao te ching by lao tzu

Are you interested in WWII history? I have some books I could reccomend in that genre if you're interested.


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I don’t know, sorry.

Thank you for the recommendations, I saved them. I appreciate it a lot. I’ll definitely try some!
I like history in general. If you want to, feel free! Japanese history and Modern European/American history are my favourites. I pretty much know everything about WW2 but there’s a lot I don’t know about pre-1700s Europe, I guess.


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Nenfriends read a lot of difficult books.


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the last book I tried to read was interaction of color which is basically a picture book and I didn't even finish it...


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I'm interested in the same subjects! I've also found that newer books on WWII do a good job of challenging my preconceived notions despite me already knowing a lot. History is constantly evolving after all. Here are some good WWII history books I've read or had reccomended to me:

Russia's war: a history of the soviet effort by richard overy
Eagle against the sun: america's war with japan by ronald spector
Embracing defeat: japan in the wake of ww2 by john dower
In the service of the emperor: essays on the imperial japanese army by edward drea
Japanese destroyer captain by tameichi hara
No surrender: my 30 years war by hiroo onoda
Shattered sword: the untold story of the battle of midway by john parshall and anthony tully
Requiem for battleship yamato by yoshida mitsuru
With the old breed on pelelieu and okinawa by eugene sledge
The good man of nanking: the diary of john rabe

I'll try to think of some more but those are the ones I've looked at recently. I also know of some good history lectures and videos on youtube if you'd like to know about those.


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No surrender: my 30 years war is on the list of things I plan to read at some point, how was it?


Pretty good. It was really interesting to hear from the man himself how he could be convinced the war was still going on after all those years. The reasons he gave for not killing himself are interesting as well. I've heard he left out some relevant details like the people he killed but it's a memoir so that's kind of expected. It's more about survival than war but I liked it all the same.


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Thanks for all the book recommendations once more, I appreciate it a lot!
Yes, I’d definitely appreciate links to some history lectures and videos. I only know of one YouTuber and he goes by HipHughes! I liked his videos on American history especially.


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My pleasure! It's always nice to share the things I enjoy with frens. TIK does videos on WW2 that are really in depth and interesting. History with Hilbert does videos on a variety of topics, I especially like the ones on the weimar republic. Military Aviation History does videos on airpower that are pretty neat. Nicholas Moran aka the chieftain has some great lectures on armor development and use in ww2 as well as a few naval history vids, he actually worked with the girls und panzer team a few times. Forgotton weapons and C&Rsenal do videos on firearms history and mechanics that are pretty approachable even to non gun-guys like me. Potential history does short humerous videos about ww2 topics, they're a bit too memey sometimes but are still interesting. The armchair historian is a fairly new channel that does videos on lots of topics, I like his video on the russo japanese war. The Great War is pretty famous for covering WW1 in a week by week newsreel-esque format, I would look into their videos on the buildup to WW1. There's also the National WW1 and WW2 museums that put lectures on youtube, I'll try to include some good ones below. Here're some history videos, documentaries and lectures I found interesting, I tried posting links individually but nen thought I was flooding so I'll just post the playlist I pulled them from:



Thank you very much. I appreciate it a ton, /nen/fren.

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